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Jeff’s 2011 Turner 5 Spot


2011 Turner 5 Spot DW Link NSMB Jeff Parker (15)

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I like the look of the excessive finish alloy manufacturing. The complicated CNC work Turner did across the rear triangle and pivots is nearly Victorian steampunk.” – Jeff

Head Turner

Once I consider Turner bikes the primary rig that at all times pops into my head is my buddy Mark’s 2005ish Horst-Hyperlink outfitted rig. Uncooked aluminum tubes, PUSH linkage improve, it is scrumptious. Sadly, Mark’s Turner is immediately disqualified as a min-max rig because of it is straight 1-1/8″ steerer tube, even when he in some way sourced a candy Fox 36 FIT RC2, EC34/EC34 -1° Angleset, and a 27.2mm dropper put up and actually modernized the look of the rig with a 1x drivetrain. For the report, that is not a dig on the aesthetics of Jeff’s 2011 right here, he is tried it each methods and the double chainring setup appears to be like quite a bit cleaner.

Turner Bikes has been out of the complete suspension sport for couple years now, and Jeff’s DW-Hyperlink 5 Spot depends on bushings for the linkages, so I used to be, I feel justifiably, skeptical about this entry. However, it’s a nice trying body in my favorite Turner color, and Jeff identified that Turner nonetheless shares bushing kits for the 2009+ frames. Should you contact them they need to be capable of lead you to pivot {hardware} as properly. Should you do have one in every of these rigs, or are taking a look at one on the used market, I might completely advocate choosing up a spare bushing package, though they’re off-the-rack IGUS bushings, so it is potential to get them organized from an industrial provider as properly.

Whether or not right down to smaller batches numbers, or increased tolerances, or circumstances the place they have been hottest, or the entire above, Turner by no means suffered the intensive complaints about bushings that dogged so many different purposes. I might nonetheless advocate repeatedly checking the pivot {hardware} for put on since typically if crap does get within the bushings the aluminum will get eaten sooner than the IGUS materials.

2011 Turner 5 Spot DW Link NSMB Jeff Parker (1)

Jeff runs a 23° again sweep Salsa Bend 2 alt-bar, at 760mm huge.

2011 Turner 5 Spot DW Link NSMB Jeff Parker (13)

This bicycle clearly sees numerous blue skies in it is second life. Jeff purchased the body used for $300.

2011 Turner 5 Spot DW Link NSMB Jeff Parker (10)

Jeff’s bushing expertise has been distinctive. He does take a couple of seconds to hit the grease ports with a shot of the great things after each few rides.

Min-Max submissions range enormously from a couple of phrases and images to deep dives into components decisions and anecdotes about particular bits. There’s various DIY happening right here, which I will get to, plus that incontrovertible fact that Jeff’s operating a mini-mullet setup (27.5/26), and Jeff despatched me fairly detailed ideas on his bike. I feel he sums it up completely with this: “I like the look of the excessive finish alloy manufacturing. The complicated CNC work Turner did across the rear triangle and pivots is nearly Victorian steampunk.

Jeff’s ideas on the match of this bike may in all probability sum up most min-max initiatives we have seen to this point. Particularly if riders have already upsized their frames and added an angleset:

The geometry is a blended bag. Head angle was fairly slack for its period, and is definitely within the Path class even now, which is how I exploit the bike. Seat tube angle is old style 72 levels with the longer fork and 27.5 wheel, however I like that. It makes the bike extra snug than the fashionable steep tubes on the rough-but-rolling terrain I tour on, and the hip to foot angle mimics my gravel and highway bikes, making the transition between them simpler. The body is a big, however it’s decidedly a medium by fashionable match requirements, and I do typically want the attain have been a bit longer. But when I experience it a bit extra old style from additional behind the saddle on descents, it really works out okay.

2011 Turner 5 Spot DW Link NSMB Jeff Parker (15)

The most effective a part of this min-max sequence, for my part, is seeing all of the completely different locations members of the NSMB neighborhood experience.

This 5 Spot began it is new life as a frame-only deal. Jeff purchased it used for $300, “‘trigger ya know 26 is lifeless“, and I have been rolling that round in my head a bunch. I imply, within the insanely scorching used bicycle market of the final couple years that seems like a stable deal even with the geometry being a bit dated. However then on the identical time the body is over ten years outdated. Sure, it is simple sufficient to purchase a brand new shock and matches and sure, it takes a tapered steerer fork so there are a plethora of 650b choices that match. However protecting this body going on the market on the path, doing what it was born to do, nearly looks as if a neighborhood service.

Should you observed that the cable routing appears to be like distinctive, that is not a Turner characteristic. Jeff did not just like the inventory routing so he filed off the present braze-ons and put in riv-nuts and p-clips for his most popular setup. His customized body bag and downtube accent mounting are additionally courtesy of additional hardpoints he added himself. Very neat. However, I am guffawing to myself proper now as I kind this, questioning what number of NSMB readers will add some water bottle or accent bosses to their aluminum frames subsequent week. For the report, you can even securely mount that Fidlock bottle to your Kona Course of utilizing double-sided 3M tape.

2011 Turner 5 Spot DW Link NSMB Jeff Parker (6)

The 5 Spot appears to be like quite a bit higher as a 2x bike than a 1x as a result of manipulation of the BB-area to make it 2x appropriate. Phew, 1x certain makes every part simpler about designing full suspension bikes.

2011 Turner 5 Spot DW Link NSMB Jeff Parker (3)

This fender-esque piece of chopped plastic sewer pipe is definitely an adjunct mount for longer adventures. Coupled with some Voile straps it properly carries Jeff’s Jetboil and a one litre bottle.

2011 Turner 5 Spot DW Link NSMB Jeff Parker (2)

Jeff calls his customized made bag a “combover fashion” and it is meant to permit for the best entry.

26 For Flights

Let’s be clear: Jeff’s not a retro-grouch frozen in time method again in 2011 along with his entrance derailleur, top-mounted dropper-post lever, twist shifters, and 26″ wheels. I imply, wow, even by 2011 the Grip Shift would have been suspect to numerous riders. Personally, I discover it extra suspicious that not one in every of my Grip Shift loving associates of yore has bucked up the 49 USD to twist-shift their Eagle drivetrain. The later variations of Grip Shift, like Jeff’s, rotate on ball-bearings and haven’t any discernible friction or play.

They’re bombproof, low-cost, and you’ll plow via gears sooner than any set off deck on the market if that is your factor. It is a comparatively cheap, very completely different, factor to attempt, and in case you do not find it irresistible, it will not be onerous to flip and it takes a couple of minutes to swap again to your set off. Simply run it with brakes with lengthy lever blades so you will discover your good mixture of brake, shifter, and grip place. Simply, in case you do attempt SRAM’s Eagle Grip Shift, preserve an open thoughts and provides it a few rides. It will by no means be a inventory possibility on full bikes once more, however that is not as a result of it is not superior for some riders.

SRAM Eagle Grip Shift Twister SRAM

I do know Jeff’s not operating SRAM Eagle on the Turner, however I might assume it a secure guess that almost all of NSMB readers are pedaling a cable-actuated model their 12-speed group. Meaning a 49 USD Grip Shift Eagle experiment could also be simply the mission they’re on the lookout for



Discovered the body domestically on Pinkbike about 5 years in the past for $300 in uncooked – ‘trigger ya know 26 is lifeless” – Jeff

Alright, sorry to the give-me-triggers-or-give-me-death crowd for the twisted apart. A minimum of I did not additionally add in a pitch for friction thumb-shifting? Again to the Turner, it is not that Jeff would not personal 1×12 rigs. He owns a number of rigs with AXS wi-fi shifting. It is not that he is a 26″ evangelist both; the Turner is a mini-mullet setup with a 26″ rear and a 27.5″ entrance. The bike initially was initially constructed up for a particular function, which is journey. The complete suspension body, like most, is simple to interrupt down right into a smaller package deal by separating the rear triangle from the entrance and with the smaller wheels the entire package deal has Jeff checking his bicycle with no over-sized baggage charges.

I had a buyer at on the of the retailers I labored at who may get his V1 Bronson right into a equally small package deal and claimed it actually wasn’t any extra work than boxing up a motorbike right into a full-sized onerous case as soon as you’ve got achieved it a couple of occasions and it was cheaper than shopping for a hardtail body with couplers. Some thought meals for individuals who journey repeatedly with a motorbike.

2011 Turner 5 Spot DW Link NSMB Jeff Parker (4)

The huge nosed Chromag Trailmaster Saddle is snug for getting ahead on steep climbs.

2011 Turner 5 Spot DW Link NSMB Jeff Parker (12)

Uncooked aluminum frames have a look at house wherever.

2x Construct Out

No matter your preferences for full suspension programs, and nevertheless your really feel about DW-Hyperlink particularly, the design works very properly by way of the pedaling effectivity that Jeff is on the lookout for whereas additionally remaining plush however supportive when known as on to ship traction and luxury. Most significantly from a min-max perspective, it really works properly with probably the most primary of air shocks. In case your finances is for a contemporary SR Suntour Edge or an OE-only primary RockShox Choose+ or Fox DPS takeoff shock, you need to discover that just about any finances possibility goes to work properly sufficient.

Jeff’s bike is supplied with the legendary stalwart that was the Fox Float RP23. A few of the issues people put these little inline shocks via on 6″ journey bikes with ridiculous leverage ratios was borderline bicycle-cruelty and but from the anodizing to the internals I feel you could possibly make the argument that, ignoring premium choices like PUSH or EXT, their high quality challenges any manufacturing shock in the marketplace at present. Sadly, help for these primary Float shocks past primary seal kits has waned significantly, so Jeff will need to keep on high of upkeep to keep away from having to retire it to paperweight standing.

Conserving with suspension, the fork is a 29’er Pike off his earlier Anthem, set at 140mm. Jeff did attempt the Turner as a mullet with a 29″ entrance wheel, and in addition ran it with a 27.5+ entrance wheel for a time, however the present setup is a 27.5×2.6″ Nobby Nic in entrance with a 26×2.3″ Nic out again (which measures to 2.4″ on a Stan’s Move rim).

2011 Turner 5 Spot DW Link NSMB Jeff Parker (9)

I want all put up mount brake studs, on frames and forks, had replaceable threaded barrels to seize bolts.

2011 Turner 5 Spot DW Link NSMB Jeff Parker (14)

The 29″ fork would not look misplaced in any respect with the 27/26 wheel setup. I’m stunned that Jeff hasn’t drilled a gap to run a stealth-routed seat put up.

From my nerdy perspective probably the most fascinating characteristic in Jeff’s components package is the Shimano XT T-8000 brake levers. Like Shimano’s most budget-friendly brakes, these depend on honking lengthy lever blades as an alternative of Shimano’s ServoWave magic to drive their further-apart-pistons into the rotor. So that you get the potential benefits of straightforward, drag-free setup together with constant really feel via the brake stroke together with the forty-year-old aesthetics of the Magura motorbike levers that appeared on ’80s mountain bikes.

The lengthy XT levers are key to Jeff discovering the specified place for all his controls since his Grip Shift is about up with a full size grip. There are two faculties in terms of twisters: these choose to have their hand on the shifter on a regular basis and who run a shorter grip, and people who choose to run a full size grip and transfer their hand over a bit to shift. Jeff’s Turner represents the latter possibility. I might like to attempt a pair of these levers with some 4-piston calipers to check them head-to-head with Shimano’s present 4-piston setups.

Other than the components already talked about, the hubs are additionally of curiosity. These are X0 branded, however the guts ought to be similar to the Ringle-inspired 4-Pawl, frame-preloaded, ROAM 60 wheels (solely distinction is the j-bend spokes on these as an alternative of straight-pulls) that Bikeroom-Jeff and I did a teardown on in 2016. For riders proud of the 7° engagement, these are very dependable hubs that may typically be discovered for a music used, in order that they’re value protecting an eye fixed open for in case you’re out there.

2011 Turner 5 Spot DW Link NSMB Jeff Parker (5)

*Gasp* a fast launch rear finish No personal-pizza sized cog with the 2×10 SRAM drivetrain setup.

2011 Turner 5 Spot DW Link NSMB Jeff Parker (8)

A lot good things happening right here. My favorite bit is the Shimano XT touring brake levers. I might like to attempt these hooked as much as some four-piston calipers.

With the 72° seat tube angle (STA) it makes good sense that Jeff prefers a cushty flat-nosed saddle – the Chromag Trailmaster on this case – for these steep climbs the place he has to get on the nostril to maintain traction. It really works. The pinnacle tube angle is 67.7° and I feel there is a respectable argument that the -2° EC44/EC44 angleset from Works could be value a attempt to see the way it modifications dealing with on descents. Jeff is properly conscious the this headset exists so hopefully he’ll report again if he does give it a shot. I imply, it is all good that he is proud of the present geometry, however wouldn’t it be an NSMB Min-Max article if the bike did not have already got an angleset put in or I did not advocate one?

Past that, my solely actual shock is that Jeff hasn’t drilled a stealth-dropper exit into the seat tube. Please be aware, it is not that there is something mistaken with a fixed-external mount dropper, and the earlier technology of the Fox Switch or the present PNW Cascade are each good choices. It is simply that an individual who’s going so as to add their very own rivnuts for most popular cable routing, bag, and accent mounting clearly likes making holes in issues.

Thanks for submitting your candy Turner, Jeff! If you would like to submit your well-loved rig for Min-Max Your Trip please fireplace me an e-mail.



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